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Is this product ready for the general public?
bpautsch
#1 Posted : Monday, October 30, 2006 7:44:14 AM(UTC)
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Hi...I am very happy to have found your product...it's great. I have website software that I have spent a lot of time building. It is very successful online and I now want to offer it as a standalone home PC version. I could port it over to a Windows application, but I really like the idea of packaging the website onto a CD and running it locally with Cassini as the web server. Less time to build, less code to maintain, etc.

A few questions...
1. Eligible buyers
"UltiDev Cassini runs on all flavors of Windows XP including Windows XP Home, Windows Vista, Windows 2000 and Windows 2003 Server.". The latest OS shares I found were: WinXP=75.6%, W2000 = 9.2%, W2003 = 2%, Win98 = 1.4%, WinNT = 0.3%, Linux =3.5%, Mac = 3.8%. So it looks like 13.2% of the PC users out there can't use my product. Agreed? That's OK...I thought it might be higher. The only share I would like to get are the Win98 and NT people, but they're a very small share...might be better to not support them :)

2. I am seriously looking to distribute my software to 10,000's of people (if not more) and the installation process needs to be seamless. I created a basic install (similar to your demo) and sent it to a few people. 2 installed fine and 1 had a problem...I believe it was the Windows Installer that kept hanging up. That person rebooted their machine and successfully installed Cassini and my test site. How can I avoid these issues? I know they are Microsoft issues, but any advice for me would be good. Also, would you feel comfortable sending out 10,000's of CDs that install software that runs on UltiDev Cassini? I know your answer will be Yes, but please take the time to think about this...it has very serious implications on my business. It could also mean a lot for your business too. Once my software hits the public, it could generate a lot of positive or negative press for you guys.

3. Is what I'm thinking of doing a good idea? Will the UltiDev Cassini service run fine after rebooting, hibernating, etc. Is the Windows Form approach a better idea? Or is the Windows Forms approach maybe a better idea because it's the way these types of products are typically distibuted, but the Cassini approach is just as good.

4. UltiDev Cassini is also free to use, distribute, etc. There are no hidden costs, royalties, etc. Agreed?

5. Any advice? Any thoughts come to mind? Positive/Negative? UltiDev Cassini is somewhat new to me and your comments would be greatly appreciated.

Feel free to email or call me directly.

Thanks,
Brian Pautsch
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(phone # at my website)
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#2 Posted : Monday, October 30, 2006 9:54:00 AM(UTC)
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Hello, Brian.

Thank you for initiating the discussion. The short answer to the topic question, is YES - Cassini seems to be ready for the prime-time.

To elaborate..
1. Platform availability: We wanted to follow 80/20 rule and we accomplished just that. Even though we'd love to see our baby working on all the popular platforms, including Linux and MacOS - we are simply not big enough to afford such an expansion right now. To sum up, we do not have plans to extend support to platforms beyond what we already have. Our internal wish list for Cassini project includes more features rather than more platforms.

2. We get 100+ new installations of Cassini runtime per day since recent release of a few products bundled with Cassini. So far, with thousands of installations of Cassini out there, we don't get much of a bad feedback. To the contrary, we seem to be mostly exceeding people's expectations and getting lots of very positive feedback. In terms of whether it's safe to ship thousands of CDs with Cassini, we can only give you an informal, off the record estimates, as our license agreement prohibits any suitability guarantees. Here it is: since we think your cost of creating a Cassini-based installation package of your product is going to be very low (compared to porting whole app to WinForms), we'd recommend hedging your (and our) bets by creating a test-batch of about 500 CDs and distributing those to measure the satisfaction/success level in the field, and proceed to full-scale distribution based on the results of the test-run. Another option is to simply monitor this forum for a few weeks - with number of installations growing as quickly as they are now, this way you will get pretty reliable sense of Cassini customer satisfaction level.

3. Cassini service is completely fine with rebooting, but we did not run internal test on hibernation - sorry. With the rest of WinForms vs WebForms approach, the whole reason we created Cassini is that in our opinion world is more comfortable with web UI than with Windows. If you already have a working product in Web, bundling it with Cassini probably carries less risks than rewriting it to WinForms.

4. Cassini is free for bundled applications - period. No fine print, not hidden fees, no surprises in the future. Cassini developer's piece is free too, but exclusive distribution rights belong to UltiDev.

5. Cassini is primarily for Intranet. For Internet usage relevant security issues need to be taken into account (like tightening service's up user account). Cassini has no SSL and Windows Auth. Cassini is a people's server. It's designed to pass BAT (babysitter acceptance test) - to be very simple, reliable and cheap to own and operate.

Best regards,
Vlad Hrybok.
UltiDev Cassini product director.

P.S. I can be contacted directly via email.
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bpautsch
#3 Posted : Wednesday, November 8, 2006 5:53:16 PM(UTC)
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Vlad,

Thank you very much for your reply. It was exactly what I was looking for.
If I have anymore questions, I might just email you directly.

Thanks,
Brian
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#4 Posted : Friday, November 10, 2006 5:37:02 AM(UTC)
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This sounds too good to be true!, what kind of limitations does this have? number of concurrent connections like iis under win2k pro? anything else?
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#5 Posted : Friday, November 10, 2006 6:30:07 AM(UTC)
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Hi there.

Please review this Wikipedia article about UltiDev Cassini and let us know if you need some other information about the product.

It's true: as any web server, Cassini is limited to the number of simultaneous TCP connections accepted by the OS.

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UltiDev Team.
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